ummmm welll maybe i want the full game. tho im sure patches will come... sooo i think for now the game then whoever is not satisfied with the balance can wait for patches

The people with the money hats say NO.  Release it now, patch it later.

Look at what's happening with Diablo 3.  Who cares about the short term reviews, let's make the money.

Sure, I'd be up for testing one more beta.

Lets see the next patch and we'll have a better idea if it's even needed.

I say yes, because stardock and ironclad have the money to do it, and they would release a higher quality product.  Remember, this will be our game until sins 2 comes out.  Hopefully they would add content later on, and continue to balance, yet they are diversifying their IP's so they may or may not wait.

Seeing as the balancing process will require months and months and months anyway (assuming that it ever becomes balanced) I don't think 1-2 weeks will make that much of a difference...

For those already in the Beta, final release really means nothing other than a different version number...I mean, it's not much different than an update when it comes down to it...

As for those who aren't in the Beta, idk...I just don't know how most people feel about this whole "release ASAP, patch later" philosophy...my feeling is, SD is best just sticking to schedule...

ok sareth is right! pleaase devs another, further, balancing patch!

I think we have two different issues....

We have the issue of whether another update should be released before final release....

Then we have the issue of whether the final release should be pushed back....

To clarify my position, I think SD should stick to June 12th....however, I do think one more Beta update would be nice...sorry SD but "fixed internally" doesn't mean a whole lot until we actually get to see it...

Fixed internally means fixed.  You'll see it soon enough. 

Anyways, I'm really hoping for an update within the next few weekdays.

Going into release as is will be a mistake.  First impressions are important, and right now balance will scare many potential new multiplayer players away from the game.  If you need to ban certain races from being used, the game is NOT ready for launch.

Releasing one more update and delaying release for another week or two is the right call.

i would not mind another beta by any means

Agreed. And since most game sales actually are implemented in the first week of release, it should be dealt more carefully.

And I never doubt about that, were the games of Blizzard always on time, they would also have tons of bugs and imbalance issues.

Fixed internally is not really a right use of words IMHO You can fix bugs, but balance?

Anyway, i vote yes obviously, as i am curious, especially about the Vasari Loyalists solution. If they however choose to not patch the game until the release, i am ok with that. As long as they keep supporting the game post-release...  

That's more my concern...I'm fairly confident that if SD says they got a bug "fixed internally", they probably do...

But balance changes need to be vetted...the devs are fully aware Beta 3 has serious balance issues, but their first wave of solutions I feel should be vetted before going into a final release...

OMG what is it? another troll?

Game is unplayable.

Has 90% crash/desynk ratio.

And bbalance dont exist, its a vasari world.

What a wild idea to release this mess!!!!

People wake up.!!!!

Closest real timetable to release this with the speed  SD is  "working" on it, is december 2012